Tuesday, March 22, 2011

Freestyle Board Reviews

First off I'm and expert freestyler that weighs between 165-170 lbs. (75 kilos for our friends across the pond) I've sailed all of the boards I'm reviewing From Long Island, to Cape Hatteras and Bonaire, so I've got a real feel for all of them. (with the exception of the JP 98) I've sailed more freestyle boards than anyone else I know. I've also owned more freestyle boards form different brands over the past year than most magazines that do write ups on freestyle boards. So I figured I'd help some of you guys looking for a freestyle board know the strong points and weaknesses of those boards I've owned. So what boards are they, the 2011 Fanatic Skate 90ltr and 100ltr, 2010 JP Freestyle 89ltr and 98ltr, 2010 F2 Rodeo, and 2009 Mistral Joker. I've had plenty of time on each of these in all sorts of conditions so here are my views of each.

First off, the 2009 Mistral Joker. I'm including this one in the reviews even though it's a couple years old. This was the board that changed what freestyle boards are supposed to be. Gone were the slow, totally dedicated freestyle boards of the past. Those boards were great for sliding backwards, but the 2009 joker is simply a great all around board. It is fast, easy to sail, and has very good carving ability. It also feels much smaller than it's 99 ltrs. The tail of the Joker (along with the JP) has a little less volume than other freestyle boards, so it's a little less stable to learn the sliding maneuvers. That said, it will slide though any 360 type trick without ever catching the rail. It's thick rails up by the mast track help to skip sideways over even steep chop. It's also very good at tricks you need to carve into like shakas and ponches. All in all, it's better at the more advanced set of tricks than vulcans. In 2009, this blew everything else off the water. It just did all the tricks I needed to learn better than the other boards in 2009 and it also was great as a large wave board. However that was 2009 and this is 2 years later. The other brands took note and have improved on a great design.

Next on the list is the 2010 F2 Rodeo 98. It's basically the same exact board as the 2011. All they did was move the fin box a tiny bit forward for 2011. This is a great freestyle board. Definitely one of my personal favorites. When you first try the board it will feel a bit weird because at only 225cm and all that volume in such a short board, it's kind of directionally unstable. But once you get it figured out, which took me about 2 sessions, you'll be loving life. The Rodeo is tied with the Skate in the early planing department. It will pop up on a plane much faster than most of the other boards and will blow away ANY freestyle/wave in planing. It's also a very fast board. Faster than freestyle/waves and the 09 Joker. The pop of the Rodeo is incredible, and sliding afterwards is very fast. Also having all that volume packed under your feet makes the board easy to cheat throgh the end of a move that would other wise go under water. The one drawback to the Rodeo is the jibing/wave riding. It's very short and thick rails don't make for a good carving board. It will fly through jibes, but they will always have a wide arc. It also makes the board harder to learn shakas and other moves that require a really hard fast carve to initiate. I really do like the rodeo and would recommend it as a close second to the skate. So the strong points of the Rodeo are planing popping and spinning. The weakness is carving.

Third up is the duo of the JPs. I list them both because the JP 89 and 98 don't really sail like the same board at all. First is the 89 ltr. The 89 is a shaka machine. It's simply incredible at doing shakas. You can screw it up so bad and because of the amount of rocker the board has, there is a huge sweet spot where you can land a shaka. The downside, is the board suffers a bit at all the other tricks. It's thin and narrow tail helps carving, but if you're looking for forgiveness in the sliding tricks, look at the Rodeo or Skate. That said, it can easily spock, flaka and go for switch stance tricks. Another thing I found interesting about the board is it's range on the high end. I'e taken this board out in well over 30 knots many times and really didn't want anything smaller. I was really surprised as to how much wind the 89 ltr could handle for it's size. The oh so obvious strong point of the 89 ltr is its shaka-ability. It's obvious that the 89 was designed specifically with this move in mind. There really aren't any real weaknesses of the JP 89. It doesn't offer as much stability or early planing ability as the 90 ltr skate. It will still do all the tricks just fine, just not quite as easily as the skate 90. I would recommend the JP 89ltr as THE board to learn a shaka on. If you really want to crack that move, the JP is the king. If you're looking for a board that offers a more rounded freestyle ability, look at the skate. But if you're looking for an easier sailing, earlier planing, faster version of the JP freestyle/wave this is for you.

The 98 ltr JP is next on the list. This is the only one I didn't actually own, and for a reason. For advanced freestyle, it's just not cutting it. It planes nice and early and has a great feel while sailing. But after sailing the 89 ltr, I was expecting a lot more out of the 98 ltr JP. A buddy of mine had it out that doesn't do freestyle before I tried it and he mentioned the lack of pop. I figured he just didn't know how, but when I got on it, I was surprised how much effort it took to get this board out of the water. Then once going backwards, it kept hooking up in the slides. It as really hard to pull off a funnel for me unless it was perfect. It's almost like it only wants to vulcan while you're sliding backwards. Getting the 360 out of it was really hard. Strong points of the 98 would be planing and a lively ride. It's really a great freeride board, not a freestyler. Weaknesses: everything freestyle.

Now on to my current boards and hands down favorites. The skate 90ltr and 100ltr. One thing about this pair of boards that I noticed right off the bat. The 100 ltr has more rocker than the 90. I was wondering why you'd change up a boards rocker so much only one size away from each other. The short answer, when switching back and forth from the 90 to the 100, all the moves require the same body weight distribution. Last year was hard for me when I was switching back and forth between my 98 ltr Rodeo and 89 ltr JP. I'd spend 1/2 the day learning the board, before I could start making progress on the tricks. With the pair of skates, I can go back and forth without any kind of change in my posture or weight distribution in the tricks. Fanatic really nailed both designs.

The Skate 90 ltr: It does EVERYTHING very, very well. Every trick you try will be easy and the planing of the 90 ltr is truly remarkable. I was out-planing guys on 5.3s and 100 ltr boards. It planes up much earlier than the JP 89, but I think it will have a more limited top end to it. And although shakas are easy enough on the board, you need to land them right to make them nice. The skate won't self-shaka like the JP does. But for every other trick in the book, the fanatic has the edge. The JP 89 also has a little better carving ability than the 90 ltr skate because the rocker is just so flat. But that flat rocker is just insanely fast. you'll blow any of the freestyle/waves out there away with this thing. And all that speed translates into explosive tricks. It's no wonder Gollito can do 4 or 5 moves in a single sequence. The speed just carries right through. The strong points of the 90 ltr skate are planing, speed and spin-ability. Weaknesses are lacking. It doesn't shaka as well as the JP 89, but certainly isn't any harder than the other boards in the review.

Skate 100 ltr: My favorite board of all time! It planes like no other, it pops like no other and can actually rip through a regular old carve jibe. If there is a weakness to the 100 ltr skate, I certainly haven't found it. It will slide through every transition with ease. If you were to take all the best qualities form the other boards and pack them into one design, this would be it. It even shakas as easily as the 89 JP. The outline and rocker combo of the skate makes for a fast, easy carving freestyle machine. This board is also great for those guys not even doing freestyle. it's just a great back and forth blaster as well. My favorite tricks are air funnels, bobs and shakaflakas, but when I let a buddy of mine use it, he was raving over how well it just jibes, and donkey jibes. I would not only recommend this board to guys for their 100ltr freestyle board, but to anyone looking for a 100ltr freestyle board. Weakness: I've got to keep looking.

If you're still with me, here's a list of some qualities that people are looking for in a freestyle board. I'll rate the boards in the order from #1 to last in the order that they perform.


Early Planing
#1 Skate 100 /Rodeo 98
#2 Skate 90
#3 JP 98
#4 Joker 99/JP 89

Speed
#1 Skate 90
#2 JP 89
#3 Skate 100/ Rodeo 98
#4 Joker 99
#5 JP 98

Pop
#1 Skate 100/ Rodeo 98
#2 Skate 90
#3 Joker 99
#4 JP 89
#5 JP 98 (not a typo, the 89 ltr has much more pop than the 98ltr)

Sliding Control (ability to control the speed of a slide once you start a 360 like in a spock)
#1 Skate 100
#2 Skate 90
#3 joker 99
#4 JP 89
#5 Rodeo 98 (only goes fast)
#6 JP 98 (only goes slow)

Sliding Stability (how far out of that perfect position can you be before the tail goes under during moves like a spock)
#1 Rodeo 98
#2 Skate 100
#3 Joker 99
#4 Skate 90
#5 JP 89
#6 JP 98

Carving for trick (like a shaka)
#1 Jp 89
#2 Skate 100
#3 Joker 99
#4 Skate 90
#5 JP 98/ Rodeo 98

Carving for a jibe
#1 Skate 100/Joker99
#2 Skate 90/JP 89
#3 JP 98
#4 Rodeo 98

Ability in High winds
#1 JP 89
#2 Skate 90
#3 Joker 99/ Skate 100/JP 98
#4 Rodeo 98

What board will I like if I'm switching from a freestyle wave?

#1 Skate 100
#2 Skate 90/ JP 89/ Joker 99
#3 JP 98
#4 Rodeo 98

Wave Ability
#1 Skate 100 / Joker 99/ JP 89
#2 Skate 90/ JP 98
#3 Rodeo 98

If there's anything I'm leaving out, or if you have any questions about any of these boards, just let me know.

Happy sailing,

Mike

40 comments:

  1. So then, you like the Skate 100? :-)

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  2. excellent review Mike ! (great blog in general)

    which is the best for freestyle in chop ? I sail a 2008 Chilli 99 and sail where the chop can sometimes get steep.

    Cheers,
    Brett

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  3. Liking the skate 100 would be a horrible understatement. Both guys that tried my skate the other day are buying one. One is coming off a JP Freestyle Wave that's only a year old and will use it for back and forth and B&J. The other guy is coming off his brand new Fanatic freewave and is looking to get into freestyle. Both guys were surprised how early it planes and how easy it is to jibe.

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  4. Mike,
    Can you post your weight? I think that makes a difference.

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  5. Hi Brett,

    I've sailed a 2008/2009 chili a few times, but never in really choppy conditions. Only in Bonaire a few times. So it's kinda hard for me to say about it's ability in chop. The chilli is a great board but a little slow compared to the Skate and JP. I also had a really hard time trying to pull off a shaka on the chilli when I was burning through shaka flakas on my 2009 joker and 2011 Skate. The chilli is great at the sliding tricks though.

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  6. Sorry Brett, I should have mentioned that the Skate certainly wouldn't be any worse in chop than the Chilli. It handles it just fine, even going switch.

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  7. Thanks for the feedback Mike - I think I need to look into upgrading to a Skate ;)

    Cheers,
    Brett

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  8. What Mike didn't mention I can report. The skate 100 did suprisingly well in side onshore waves. It also was hands down the most comfortable freestyle board I had used for jumping on the way out in 5-6 ft side shore waves. This was in comparison to a freewave board of 102 l. It felt slightly narrower than a board of equally reported width. Maybe that's due to the rail shape etc. Very comfortable board to sail.

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  9. What a great report. I can second what Mike has said about the Skate 100. Fun and easy to sail in all conditions, Freestyle, wave, free ride, this board does it all.
    The perfect 1 board to have fun on the water.

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  10. The skate 100 rules. Makes a big sail feel small and is great down to 4.1

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  11. Mike, have you had a chance to sail the Tabou 100 Freestyle (single fin) from a couple of years ago? How would it compare with the skate?

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  12. Hi Chris. Sorry I haven't personally sailed the Tabou single or twin. I've heard form other pros about how the new twinzers sail, but won't comment because I haven't tried it for myself.

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  13. mike,

    2010 rodeo 98 vs 2008 joker 104... any comparative comments? Thanks

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  14. Hi Anon,

    I've owned the 2008 Joker 104 too. They are totally different boards. The 2008 Joker has much more rocker and turnier outline than the 2010 Rodeo. So the 2008 Joker will act more like a freestyle/wave than a real freestyle board. For pure freestyle, the Rodeo is better at every trick in the book, but for freesailing and waveriding, the 2008 Joker is a bit better. The Rodeo however planes up MUCH earlier and is also faster. It also is one of the best popping boards I've ever ridden right up there with the 2011 Skate. Actually, the 2008 Joker is most similar to the 2010/11 JP 98. Great board for blasting, earlier planing than freestyle/waves, but not so great for real freestyle.

    So if you're looking for an earlier planing freeride board that will work as a large wave board, the Joker will suit you well, if you're looking for one of the best boards on the market for pure freestyle, get the Rodeo. Or you can get them both in one board and buy the 2011 skate.

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  15. I have sailed the 107 skate TE for the last two years. I'm thinking about going smaller, to a 90L Skate or 89L JP. what do you recomend? I'm about 160-165lbs.

    Thannks
    Steve

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  16. Hi Steve,

    The 90 ltr size freestyle boards are A LOT of fun. Both the JP 89 and 90 ltr skate are great boards. Since the rocker on teh Skate is a bit flatter than the JP, the JP is a bit turnier than the 90 ltr skate. But because of the flatter rocker the skate slides better and planes earlier. The skate 90 is also a little less bouncy in tighter chop compared to the JP. So if you want more of a carver the JP, more early planing and spinning, the Skate. They're both really good boards, so it's just preference.

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  17. great description mike, what do you know about roberto ricci twinzer or pro?

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  18. I know they changed up the RRDs shape for 2011 and I haven't tried the new ones. I did try a couple sizes of the 2010 and let's just leave it as I didn't like the board very much. Not very much at all. There are sooooo many better boards out there. But again, I know they changed the shape dramatically for 2011. Lets just hope it made a tremendous improvement in the handling of the board.

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  19. great review...sounds like ur pimpin fanatic but doesn't sound like i can go wrong with the skate 100.

    have u tried skate 110?

    what usa dealer would you recommend?

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  20. I tried the 110 from last year, but not a 2011. It sailed big for it's size. I would recommend the 100 over the 110 for everyone except the extreme heavyweight, or someone that really likes to sail 6.9. The 100 ltr is great with the 5.9 and is just so much more fun and maneuverable then the 110. So for me, it's not worth giving up all the fun ride of the 100 ltr for the marginal 6.9 days.

    My 2 favorite shops that carry Fanatic in the US:

    Hampton Watersports www.Hamptonwatersports.com in NY

    Ocean Air www.oceanairsports.com is in NC.

    If you get one at either of these shops, be sure I said hi!

    By the way, the Skate's shape is changing for 2012, so grab a 2011 while you can! Who knows if it will still be such a great all around board next year.

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  21. Hi Mike,

    I have a JP Freestyle 91 from 2007 that I'm considering upgrading to go further than the vulcan I have dialed. I've also gone up from just above 70 kg (155 lbs) to 78 kg (170 lbs). Do you have any idea of how my current board is in comparison to the ones you have tried?

    Niklas

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  22. Hi Niklas,

    If you get any of these boards, the fist thing you'll notice is that they are all so much faster than the 2007 JP you're on now. If you're looking to stay on the same sized board, both the fanatic 90 and JP 89 will be fine for you. The fanatic will spock more readily than the JP, but really both boards are very similar. It's the JP 99 that is kind of a dog. If you want to go a little bigger and go for one of the 100 ltrs, the Fanatic is the clear winner in first time spockability. The Rodeo is little more difficult in the beginning to learn spocks because it spins so fast but after you've got the move dialed, the Rodeo slides really well too.

    I'm always somewhere between the 160 lbs to 170 lbs range and I use both sized boards. I wouldn't know which to choose if I had to pick only one size. I like the 90 ltr when it's 4.7 down and the 100 ltr for 4.7 and up. I'll use the 100 with the 4.7 if it's flatter water or if I'm a little underpowered for the 90, then I'm on the 4.7 and the 90 if there are some waves for jumping or when the 100 starts to be a handful. It sure is nice having the extra float of the 100 ltr though, especially when you're learning new moves.

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  23. Just an easy question. With how many knots are you using the 90 lt and 100lt skate? I am asking because I can't decide what size to get since I am 72 kg and I sail in various weather conditions mostly with a 4.8 .

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  24. I use the 100 up to low to mid 20s, then use the 90 ltr after that. I'm using my 4.7 in 18 to 25 knots. It's my go-to sail and it really is a toss up as to which board I'll end up using when I'm powered. Try and think what other sails you'll be using. The 5.3 on the 90 is too big to really do freestyle. The board looses pop and sliding with that big of a sail on it, but the 5.3 on the 90 is still great for blasting back and forth. The 100 is really nice with the 5.3, 5.9, but with the 4.2 it starts bouncing around a lot. . The 90 with the 4.2 however is my favorite set up that I've ever used. 3.7 is fun too on the 90.

    I think it also depends on what you're working on. If you're learning the sliding tricks, the 100 will be more forgiving, but the 90 is nice for the air tricks because the landing is softer.

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  25. Hi Mike, I got the 100L and love it but not a freestyler yet. Planing much faster than alot of folks on bigger stuff- I weigh 190lbs. I like the 100 so much, thinking about getting the 90L to switch out from my older 86L freewave- do you sail the 90 in over 30's in OBX sound? or do you go to a small freestyle wave board.

    Thanks for your comments
    George

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  26. Hello,
    I own a jp freestyle 99 (2009). I love it. So I'm looking for a jp freestyle 90 to complete my quiver and to make bump jump in strong wind and choppy condition.
    I hesitate because the new jp freestyle have a new deck. So what do you think about the deck of jp freestyle 2010 and 2011 ?
    Can you help me. Best regards.
    Phil. Sorry for my english.

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  27. Hey Phil,

    I love the deck on the JP 2010/2011s on the 89 ltr size. And the 89 ltr only! It's really comfortable and gives you great grip on the board. The 98 ltr though has too much cut out under the foot. The bigger ones were really uncomfortable to sail if you like to ride without your foot being all the way in the strap. I know I do when I'm trying to pinch back upwind. Anyway, you'll be stoked with the 89 ltr's deck. Very, very comfortable.

    Mike

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  28. Thank you for your answer.
    Phil

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  29. Looking for some insight: im 18 started last year windsurfing self taught myself everything I know :) on a 300cmish board im kind of getting board with it (pun intended)and really want to get into a more reactive board....problem is my budget is pretty much for used older gear ($500)so since you've used it all what do you think I should go for... 165lbs wind conditions generally 10-30mph kind of able to waterstart getting better. Thanks =d

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  30. Hi Mike,

    Do you think the 2007 99L skate is worth considering (shape similar to 2011 100L?) or should I look at a more recent version. Unsure of you answered this but how does the 100L handles choppy water. Lake Ontario/Erie are less than perfect set ups.

    Thanks a lot. jf

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  31. Hey JF,

    I wasn't a big fan of the pre-2009 skates. They were pretty sticky to get planing in any sort of chop and just felt really big for their size, although they would still plane up earlier than any freestyle/wave type board. The 2009 skate was a major upgrade to the skate and then again in 2010. 2011 the board for all intensive purposes was perfect. The 2012 is as equally perfect as the 2011.

    The 2009 and up skates are all pretty good in the chop for their size. It was just the pre-2009 skates that were really lagging behind the boards I was sailing at that time, which were the Mistral Jokers.

    The Mistral Joker was great in 2007 along with the f2 Chilli. A lot of guys liked the 2007 JP Freestyle also, but I thought it was kinda slow on the top end.

    Mike

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  32. Thanks Mike. Will try to find a 2010-2011 then.

    jf

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    1. Hi Mike,
      great board review by the way :)
      out of intrest when you said you tried a 2010 RRD freestyle board is that the year when the lengh of the board was 233 across the range of volume, some say this is the 2010 board others say it is the 2011 ? :S Also having learnt to vulcan on a freewave 85l at 60kg how unforgiving will the jp freesyle 89 feel?/ how much easier will i find freestyle on it? As you say in your review it can feel a litle unforgiving... would go for a skate ... but can only find a jp and rrd secondhand for sale !
      Thanks for your help
      Ol

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  34. The JP is LOADS better than the RRD. Actually most boards are better than the RRD. Go for the JP 89. It's less forgiving than the skate, but will blow away your freewave in terms of freestyle use. Definitely go for the Pro Edition (not sure if the 89 ltr even came in a wood version). There's a huge difference in the performance of the different constructions coming out of JP.

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  35. Thanks for your help, will go for jp 89 pro edition! :)
    Cheers Ol

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  36. hi mike
    thanx alot for the really usefull informations
    i am one of the few windsurfers in libya and am planing to be the first libyan freestyler and looper and scince i have an extremly low budget and there arent any windsurfing shops in libya i talked to some pros from the uk and they said that the skate would be perfect to do what i want to
    i found a skate 100 2010 TE on ebay for about 400€ but the bids are still runing..in which price do u think it becomes expensive ? What do u think about this board?And do u have another openion about which board should i take?
    By the way am about 84kilos and using RRD avante move 95lt from 2003 i guess and have a blue bic techno 283 which i really hate
    my level is intermediate i plane in the straps and do sm small jumps but still learning to jibe
    any advices?
    Thanx alot
    mahmoud

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  37. Hey Mahmoud,

    Yes the 2012 skate is a great board. I'm not sure about the conversion rate on the US dollar, but I would think we could sell a 2010 100 ltr TE skate for between $750 to $1,000 U.S. depending on the condition. The 2009 Mistral Joker was also a really good board for all around use and freestyle.

    Happy sailing,

    Mike

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